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Ability?
Oblivious
43%
 43% [ 3 ]
Hydration
57%
 57% [ 4 ]
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PostSubject: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:12 pm


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Proposed Sets

Set 1 : Attacker
Ability: Hydration (based on votes)
Nature: Adamant
Item: Master Ball
IV spread: 31/31/31/xx/31/31
Hidden Power: aucune puissance cachée
Egg Moves:
- Dragon Dance
- Spark
- Flail
- Whirlpool

Physical Attacker.


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:26 pm

I think adamant is probably best. It's geared to get more than one boost, so at that point, I don't think mixed will benefit much.

I like Hydration well enough, but Oblivious is probably the better option here. It prevents Taunt on a Pokemon already immune to Thunder Wave. I guess Hydration will protect it from Status while it sets up though, so I can get down with that.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:31 pm

I also vote oblivious for the ability

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:28 pm

Oblivious is good for Taunt but Hydration still is worthwhile for Burns and 1 turn Rest wake ups if you use it in the rain.

Though in the tier its in it wont have time to use Rain Dance and would require too much support so Oblivious with a Lum Berry should work just fine but thought I'd bring up the pros for Hydration

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:45 pm

Agree, Hydration will get you a nice Rest wake, but running Rain Dance on it isn't an option, so you have to switch it in, which means you have 3 to 6 turns of Rain IF you switch it in right away.

I think the biggest draw of Hydration is the fact that you can't be burned while Rain is up, and apart from Taunt, it gives you a nice protection to grab some setups. All in all, being that it is the HA, it is probably worth it, as I feel like status is more common than Taunt.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:21 am

I put up a poll for Ability
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:01 pm

Technically, since Hydration is the HA, it should be on the set even if it gets only one vote. I agree that Oblivious is better, but it's possible to breed it form Hydration while the opposite isn't true, so if at least one person wants Hydration, it has to be Hydration...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:29 pm

I'm fine with Hydration here, Oblivious is not THAT much better.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:02 pm

For EMs DD and Spark are musts.

I think Flail and Whirlpool should be the next 2. Flail b/c its the best other physical EM option it has and Whirlpool b/c I can see trapping something with Hydration and a setup option being useful.

I voted for Oblivious but feel Hydration would probably win anyways but I'm fine with that.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:39 pm

Edited, based on votes and suggestions for physical-based egg moves. Will get started.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:14 pm

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Technically, since Hydration is the HA, it should be on the set even if it gets only one vote. I agree that Oblivious is better, but it's possible to breed it form Hydration while the opposite isn't true, so if at least one person wants Hydration, it has to be Hydration...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:18 pm

I tend to agree with mc here. Hydration on Vaporeon is debatable because Water Absorb is vastly superior, to the point of making Hydration comparatively useless. But here, the usefulness is much narrower.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:55 pm

Bunselpower wrote:
I tend to agree with mc here. Hydration on Vaporeon is debatable because Water Absorb is vastly superior, to the point of making Hydration comparatively useless. But here, the usefulness is much narrower.

For Vaporeon, the only reason why it was ok to ditch Hydration is not because it's too inferior (Hydration clearly can be useful on Vaporeon) it's because we've already distributed HA Eevees.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:01 am

And there, I switched my vote to Hydration so now it's a tie and there's no reason not to breed the HA Razz

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:33 pm

Hydration it is.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Barboach   Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:45 pm

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