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PostSubject: So.......   Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:40 pm


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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:20 pm


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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:20 pm

This is the whining rant of someone who had their butt handed to them by Greninja and doesn't know how to take the loss with grace.

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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:01 pm

At some point in smogon's history bans stopped being a last resort. I missed the latter half of XY so I'm still confused at the lack of Aegislash/ Mawile-mega. But taking those into consideration this comes as no surprise. Greninja is very difficult to switch into and provides great momentum for any offensive team, so of course it's got to go. ¬_¬

My main gripe with this is that it will be garbage in ubers. In days gone by, the stock response to this would've been "doesn't matter, ubers is a banlist not a tier" but they directly contradicted that when they banned mega-ray and created the anything goes tier (in which anything DOESN'T go, because funbro is still banned from that).

I don't hate smogon but there are an increasing number of logical inconsistencies in their methods and I'm less and less inclined to follow their rules with each new ban Neutral

On a lighter note, loving the new theme. Merry christmas everybody Very Happy Except Dragon. Sowwy.

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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:11 am

The thing that I've been saying is that they're still legislating and banning as if HGSS has just been released. Mega pokes have completely changed the statistics because you can only have one per team. With an inability to compare these directly, the inevitability here is bans becoming subjective. And with the "stall"-warts running it, the metagame has been locked in a bygone era, not allowed to evolve.

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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:08 am

yeah the ban was confirmed earlier:

Even though we're still missing a few votes, they would not change the outcome of this Suspect test. Greninja's fate is decided and, in order to favor the Tournaments community, I'm going to anticipate the results of the vote:
Number of votes: 249
Ban: 205
Do Not Ban: 44
Uber with an 82% majority.

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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:04 am

Coming up after the break: Lando-T bites the dust.

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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:37 am

That's a given. Can't believe it's lasted this long. Oh wait, yes I can, it's a defensive Pokemon.

The thing that bothers me is that they suspect things that give their one or two teams trouble, then when they raise enough cane, people start using it a lot, and they use that as justification of heavy usage. If they'd maybe discuss and come up with a counter or check first, that wouldn't have a problem. At least, I don't think it'd be as big.

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PostSubject: Re: So.......   Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:47 am

Distant Future: Kakuna bites the dust

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