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PostSubject: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:55 am


Proposed Sets

Set 1 : Victory! HA!
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Bold
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: TBD
Egg Moves:
- Baton Pass
- Healing Wish
- Barrier
- Magic Coat

Set 2 : Doubles
Ability: Telepathy
Nature: Relaxed
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/0
Hidden Power: TBD
Egg Moves:
- Baton Pass
- Magic Coat
- Helping Hand
- Barrier

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:37 am

The only place I'd use that think is in doubles so maybe Telepathy? And Helping Hand over Barrier?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:03 am

Lol.

Anyway, Idk, it's not TOO bad in singles.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:42 am

Helping Hand and Magic Coat are both tutor moves.

Add Moonlight OR Stored Power, its Munna only. Whichever one you think is more likely you wont keep. Leaning on Moonlight so you can run Chesto Rest sets if you want to.

Also perhaps its best to go Relaxed for TR? Bold is fine too though. Its just this thing has base 29 Spe and is slower than even uninvested Slowbro and can run TR.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:01 am

Don't really care that much about nature, but, I do agree with Blue on the other two moves, I think we should make Moonlight AND Stored Power relearnable. Drop Barrier and Magic Coat, and then the ORAS people can give Magic Coat to those who want it. We're still keeping it XY friendly, but I think those two moves will see a lot more use than Magic Coat regardless. Because there is no way to learn Stored Power and Moonlight again, but there is a way to get Magic Coat, should you want it.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:26 am

It should already know Helping Hand though.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:30 am

Updated it. Should I leave it bold?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:15 am

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Don't really care that much about nature, but, I do agree with Blue on the other two moves, I think we should make Moonlight AND Stored Power relearnable. Drop Barrier and Magic Coat, and then the ORAS people can give Magic Coat to those who want it. We're still keeping it XY friendly, but I think those two moves will see a lot more use than Magic Coat regardless. Because there is no way to learn Stored Power and Moonlight again, but there is a way to get Magic Coat, should you want it.
No, Barrier should stay b/c Baton Pass. Healing Wish or we just forfeit relearnable Stored Power. I've seen alot of good BP Musharnas w/ Barrier and CM.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:19 am

Hm, dang. Too many Egg moves.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:12 pm

Seriously though it neads Telepathy and Helping Hand. Make 2 sets if you have to but Doubles is the only thing Munna can do correctly and to do it it needs Telepathy and Helping Hand.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:14 pm

I agree that if you use it in doubles it needs those two. Man, I really don't want to do two sets for this, but with the egg move predicament and the fact that it is viable-ish in two formats, I think we may need to do so.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:21 pm

Honestly I would just do a Telepathy set with Helping Hand, Healing Wish, Baton Pass and Barrier and call it a day. And possibly Mirror Coat instead of Healing Wish.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:49 pm

hmmmm... if we're going with two, what about changing the nature of one of the sets to vary? One bold, one relaxed?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:13 pm

If you make two, you can make the Telepathy set Relaxed so it can be used as Trick Room support

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:18 pm

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:47 pm

If we make Telepathy it needs to be Relaxed for TR.

I think this is the best way to go:

Bold
Sychronize
Barrier
BP
Moonlight
Stored Power

Relaxed
31/x/31/31/31/0
Telepathy
Healing Wish
Moonlight
Baton Pass
???

Not too sure about Helping Hand. If your already post game in ORAS rafa you could just use the tutor for it instead of making it an EM. All tutor moves cost 8, 12, or 16 BP which is really cheap.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:48 pm

BlueDryBones1 wrote:
If we make Telepathy it needs to be Relaxed for TR.

I think this is the best way to go:

Bold
Sychronize
Barrier
BP
Moonlight
Stored Power

Relaxed
31/x/31/31/31/0
Telepathy
Healing Wish
Moonlight
Baton Pass
???

Not too sure about Helping Hand. If your already post game in ORAS rafa you could just use the tutor for it instead of making it an EM. All tutor moves cost 8, 12, or 16 BP which is really cheap.

If we're doing two sets, then Helping Hand needs to be there as a relearnable egg move. One set was different.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:16 pm

There's no need to waste a slot on Moonlight since it's a level up move. And we are not abandoning important egg moves just because they're ORAS tutors, we already said that.


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:11 pm

Mademoiselle C wrote:
There's no need to waste a slot on Moonlight since it's a level up move. And we are not abandoning important egg moves just because they're ORAS tutors, we already said that.

This is irrelevant b/c HH is a tutor move while Moonlight can never be relearned if forgotten while HH can via tutors and if you dont have ORAS asking someone on here for help. If you want Helping Hand thats fine but thats not a good reason. As imo only 3 of Munna's EMs are useful Healing Wish, BP, and Barrier with Moonlight being wanted. I see Barrier being less useful on TR so HH can go there.

Also Rafa Bold for sure needs Barrier, BP, and Moonlight.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:25 pm

Blue, please STOP saying not to breed egg moves that are also tutor moves! Tutor moves are NOT easy to get for people who don't have ORAS, EVEN if they're tradeable, so NO, we're not dropping egg moves just because they're also tutor moves.

And we've NEVER bred level up moves as egg moves before this round so I don't see why we would start now. Unless all the egg moves are really useless, of course, but Munna has plenty of useful egg moves, so no, we're not dropping any egg moves for Moonlight or Stored Power.

Set 1 : Victory! HA!
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Bold
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: TBD
Egg Moves:
- Baton Pass
- Healing Wish
- Barrier
- Magic Coat

Set 2 : Doubles
Ability: Telepathy
Nature: Relaxed
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/0
Hidden Power: TBD
Egg Moves:
- Baton Pass
- Healing Wish
- Helping Hand
- Magic Coat / Barrier

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:25 pm

However that is flawed logic b/c we taught Slowpoke Amnesia instead of one of its EMs. Moonlight is on the same boat as Slack Off. I personally would like to run Chesto Rest with Musharna but w/o relearnable Moonlight its a risk. Magic Coat isnt gonna help you much.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:40 pm

They're in a completely different boat because Slowpoke has sucky egg moves.

If you want two sets and only one of them needs Moonlight, just breed or clone yourself a copy before you train it.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:54 pm

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They're in a completely different boat because Slowpoke has sucky egg moves.

If you want two sets and only one of them needs Moonlight, just breed or clone yourself a copy before you train it.
Slowpokes "good EMs" were also ORAS tutors like we have right here though and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who wouldve wanted at least Moonlight due to how important it is.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:56 pm

Slowbro is a good Pokemon. Musharna is not. We're doing one set. If you want another one Blue, just ask the cloner sometime AFTER the distribution. Or breed yourself another, Telepathy is HA, so you can easily get a non HA one. The egg moves are too useful for what this thing can do. It's not going to succeed offensively, slow, pure Psychic types just can't hack it anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:06 am

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Slowbro is a good Pokemon. Musharna is not. We're doing one set. If you want another one Blue, just ask the cloner sometime AFTER the distribution. Or breed yourself another, Telepathy is HA, so you can easily get a non HA one. The egg moves are too useful for what this thing can do. It's not going to succeed offensively, slow, pure Psychic types just can't hack it anymore.

I agree. I get that Moonlight is useful, but I think it'd be easier to just breed/clone another Munna for your planned sets rather than making Moonlight relearnable.

I don't think dropping an egg move because it's a move tutor in oras is a valid reason because some of us don't have oras. And even if the pokemon with tutor moves can be traded, it would only result to more logistical problems for cloners.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:09 am

I wasn't really against doing 2 sets (since there are 5 useful egg moves, 2 good abilities and 2 good natures), I was against replacing useful egg moves with level up moves. But yeah, like I said before, I do agree we could settle with just one set. I guess if we do only one set it would probably be this:

Ability: Telepathy
Nature: Relaxed (or Bold?)
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/0
Hidden Power: TBD
Egg Moves:
- Baton Pass
- Healing Wish
- Helping Hand
- Barrier

And Blue, like we said, you can get yourself two copies of Munna and keep Moonlight on one of them and use the other one for whatever sets you want to try out.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:10 am

So one set?

Ability: Telepathy
Nature: Relaxed (or Bold?)
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/0
Hidden Power: TBD
Egg Moves:
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- Healing Wish
- Helping Hand
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:10 am

As long as the HA stays and the egg moves aren't replaced with level up moves I don't really mind either way, so I'll just let other people decide if we make 1 or 2 sets and if we make 1 then which nature do we pick.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:21 pm

I vote for two sets on this one. But if we were going to choose just one set, I'd go for the Doubles one with Telepathy (Trick Room Relaxed). In Doubles, Healing Wish has less use than Barrier, so perhaps the egg moves should be: Barrier, Baton Pass, Magic Coat, and Helping Hand.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:01 pm

Yeah, I'm with bash and mademoiselle on this, i think the doubles set definitely out shines anything it can do in singles. Egg moves look fine bash, I'm really not partial on this.

All this for a Munna...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:02 am

Munna is cute.

therefore it deserves attention Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:52 am

So...... the only undecided thing is the 4th move of the Doubles set. Should it be Barrier or Magic Coat?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:11 am

I think it should be Barrier. Magic Coat isn't quite as useful in doubles. I could definitely be wrong though, as I don't care about doubles.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:31 am

I also vote for barrier for the doubles set.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:49 am

Okiedokie, I'll start with it tomorrow Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:09 am

Magic Coat has more use in Doubles than Healing Wish. For the Doubles set, I say drop Healing Wish.

Doubles is a fast-paced game, where switching in and out is not as common as singles, one will never be able to take full advantage of Healing Wish. Magic Coat is more useful in the same way Magic Bounce is for those Klefkis, male Meowstics, Rotoms, or even the pesky Dark Void.

EDIT: But ok, I see that Healing Wish is for those who wish to breed a Singles set. So yeah, I'm fine with it.


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:21 am

Good point bash. We're doing two sets, so that suggestion is good.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:11 pm

So, instead of Healing Wish, Magic Coat in the doubles set... updated it.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:03 am

Awesome, you can start! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:33 pm

Yep, starting... right now! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:39 am

Finally finished one of these sets O.O Munnas weren't cooperating Sad
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:45 am

Hooray! Only a few to go to get this type wrapped up.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:13 pm

Yep! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:13 am

The Munnas are ready Very Happy cheers Very Happy cheers
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:42 am

Hooray!

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:29 pm

Moo(narific)


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:12 am

O.O these things make me wonder about all the ideas they already have stocked in their headquarters O.O

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:52 pm

O.O Bunsel changed his avatar!!! O.O
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Munna    Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:07 pm

It has happened. Don't worry, I'll go back to Tentacruel before long.

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