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PostSubject: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:25 pm


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Proposed Sets

Set 1 : You're too slow! (Slowbro)
Ability: Regenerator
Nature: Bold
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
-Belch
-Future Sight
-Me First
-Mud Sport

Set 2 : The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down (Slowking)
Ability: Regenerator
Nature: Quiet
Item: Medichamite
IV spread: 31/x/31/31/31/0
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
-Amnesia
-Belch
-Future Sight
-Slack Off

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:29 pm

Give Meditite Kings Rock and Slowpoke Meditite's item.

I'd say Quiet 0 Spe and go Mud Sport over Me First on Slowking for doubles reasons.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:50 pm

Should we consider Mega Slowbro already?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:15 pm

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Should we consider Mega Slowbro already?
Mega Slowbro wants Bold Regenerator either way.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:34 pm

BlueDryBones1 wrote:
rafa wrote:
Should we consider Mega Slowbro already?
Mega Slowbro wants Bold Regenerator either way.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:37 pm

Also if your concerned with swapping in/out Slack Off On Slowking you can make both parents have Slack Off(Slowking Slopoke only) so it'll have it as a relearnable egg move. I'd say its not a bad idea b/c I dont see it always running it so it can swap it in/out whenever it needs to.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:29 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU STOLE MY SLOWBRO ALL GEN 1 PSYCHIC TYPES ARE MINE EJRNENSTNDNEHRNHKEKENTN!!!!!!!

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Yeah, make Slowking Quiet...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:57 pm

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NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU STOLE MY SLOWBRO ALL GEN 1 PSYCHIC TYPES ARE MINE EJRNENSTNDNEHRNHKEKENTN!!!!!!!

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Yeah, make Slowking Quiet...

I took Starmie a long time ago...

But yes, Quiet seems like a good nature for the non Bold Slowbro set.

Actually, AV Slowbro/Slowking are so dangerous in their respective tiers, so honestly, Modest/Quiet seems to be the best bet here. And I really like Blue's idea about making Slack Off relearnable for the two, I think that's worth pursuing.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:44 am

^Just to clarify, the Quiet set would be for the Slowpoke intended to become Slowking. And Slack Off isn't necessary for the Slowbro Slowpoke as it's a level-up move for Slowbro. I do like the idea for Slowking though, and I think I'll give it Amnesia too so it can relearn that if you evolve it. I've also just realized that Block is an ORAS tutor move so I guess that's out.

Updated the OP, let me know if you're still not happy.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:01 am

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^Just to clarify, the Quiet set would be for the Slowpoke intended to become Slowking. And Slack Off isn't necessary for the Slowbro Slowpoke as it's a level-up move for Slowbro. I do like the idea for Slowking though, and I think I'll give it Amnesia too so it can relearn that if you evolve it. I've also just realized that Block is an ORAS tutor move so I guess that's out.

Updated the OP, let me know if you're still not happy.
Problem with Amnesia I dont think its something you'll use over Calm Mind/Nasty Plot thats worth relearning. Slowbro is the one who'll want to patch up its SpD. Slowking is fine.

I'd say go Mud Sport over that for Doubles reasons. I tried TR Rain teams in the pass and Mud Sport could possibly help in something like Rotation.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:49 pm

I honestly think Mud Sport is one of the worst moves ever but I have no strong feelings about any of his other egg moves and so I'll include it.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:53 pm

Supreme Overlord Karp wrote:
I honestly think Mud Sport is one of the worst moves ever but I have no strong feelings about any of his other egg moves and so I'll include it.
Yeah his best move options will now be from ORAS tutors (ex: Wonder Room)

I like Mud Sport b/c outside that situational use it gives him a Ground move so meh.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:21 pm

No. Do not include Mud Sport. That is one of the worst moves ever created. I will use Amnesia Slowking before I use that move. No person alive will use that seriously, and putting the work into it to use on Wi-Fi is just dumb. Use showdown for that.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:31 pm

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No. Do not include Mud Sport. That is one of the worst moves ever created. I will use Amnesia Slowking before I use that move. No person alive will use that seriously, and putting the work into it to use on Wi-Fi is just dumb. Use showdown for that.
But Slowking gets Amnesia as a Slowbro and if your gonna use that then just keep it. Your likely never gonna use it though so add something to its movepool it'll never get. If he does it on Slowbro anyways it'll be easier since he's doing it anyways for the other one.

Slack Off is an exception because its one that you can forget to run an AV set or something and reteach if you want to chance the set back into a TR setter.

But in terms of Amnesia, your better off using Calm Mind as it nearly has no uses and isnt worth relearning. Neither is Mud Sport in most situations but its at EM status as if you do want Amnesia you should just keep it as its less of a priority over something as good as Slack Off.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:33 pm

Hey, there's an easy way to settle this. Poll time!

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:34 pm

I understand. But it's Mud Sport.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:42 pm

There is always the third option: Adamant BellyBro.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:44 pm

Supreme Overlord Karp wrote:
There is always the third option: Adamant BellyBro.
Nono, Careful/Sassy Cursebro.

Actually... now I want it o.o

We should go Sassy>Quiet

But then it'll need 6IVs...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:19 pm

Do people really want Amnesia? If anything its slightly harder for Karp to get due to needing to level up both parents further. Much easier to just catch a Quagsire or a Rhyhorn(for Stomp if thats better)

Anything is better than Amnesia. Slowpoke gets it via Lv Up and its not worth relearning thus adding nothing to Slowpoke's movepool availability. Also we are talking about something with naturally high Special Defense and access to Calm Mind that wants to use its Special Attack.

Though now I think Sassy 6IV 0 Spe + Belly Drum is the way to go

But no matter what you do Amnesia is not worth the effort or the moveslot, its like Covet Eevee, its trubbish.

Only level up moves like Slowking's Slack Off or Arcanine's Crunch should be used b/c those examples you can forget them and still have them as they are useful. I gurantee noone here will use Amnesia. You dont teach Arcanine Flare Blitz b/c you have no reason to delete it(unless its a special set) and you dont teach Eevee Covet b/c its not worth relearning as examples.

Also why would you use Amnesia on Slowking when Slowbro would make better use of it? and why would you use Amnesia over Calm Mind? Just give it Stomp or Mud Sport.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:44 pm

I'm not even going to bother reading the novels that Blue keeps posting. Mud Sport sucks.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:29 pm

Mademoiselle C wrote:
I'm not even going to bother reading the novels that Blue keeps posting. Mud Sport sucks.
Well Stomp is still an option and useful on the not attack lowering Quiet and 100000x better than Amnesia on the Pokemon that gets CM and has naturally high Special Defense.

Can we potentially add Stomp to the Poll? Has a unique effect of never missing and doing double damage to minimize users. Its Quiet so it can run a physical attack and its easy to get via getting a Whismur or a Victory road Lickitung.


Also how can Megabro use Stomp since it can learn it?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:41 pm

Karp, whatever one will be easier, do it. This discussion is between two completely useless egg moves and I'm tired of it. I'm not going to defend this crap to the death, I have better things than defending anything over mud sport.

You know what? Do sleep talk. That way you can use a TM. Easiest option of all.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:13 am

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You know what? Do sleep talk. That way you can use a TM. Easiest option of all.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:08 am

lol, this thread...

Amnesia has won the poll, so that's what Slowking gets. This is a democracy after all. FWIW the Slowbro will still get Mud Sport because it's the only possible 4th option that isn't an ORAS move tutor (Block, Snore, Wonder Room, Zen Headbutt), a TM (Sleep Talk) or related to its physical attack in some way (Belly Drum, Stomp) Razz

Now let us never speak of this again.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:30 am

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Now let us never speak of this again.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:24 pm

Wait why is Slowbro not getting Amnesia?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:29 pm

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Wait why is Slowbro not getting Amnesia?
This is how I know most werent paying attention and was just going against me. Its a Level Up move for Slowpoke. Slowbro gets it too but Slowking cannot relearn it as its Slowpoke/bro only.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:32 pm

BlueDryBones1 wrote:
Mademoiselle C wrote:
Wait why is Slowbro not getting Amnesia?
This is how I know most werent paying attention and was just going against me. Its a Level Up move for Slowpoke. Slowbro gets it to but Slowking cannot relearn it as its Slowpoke/bro only.


You can't blame us for going against you, it's almsot like you enjoy making breeding harder for us lol

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:34 pm

Dragon-Flower wrote:
BlueDryBones1 wrote:
Mademoiselle C wrote:
Wait why is Slowbro not getting Amnesia?
This is how I know most werent paying attention and was just going against me. Its a Level Up move for Slowpoke. Slowbro gets it to but Slowking cannot relearn it as its Slowpoke/bro only.


You can't blame us for going against you, it's almsot like you enjoy making breeding harder for us lol
Since he had to breed Mud Sport anyways now he has to level up 2 Slowbros to Lv 41 instead of Lv 36 so actually you guys made it harder for him since he had to do Mud Sport anyways since near all his other egg moves are physical or are ORAS tutors Razz

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:37 pm

People don't go against you. You just enjoy going against everyone and always want things to be your way without compromise and it's going back against you. You only have yourself to blame for that.

And this has nothing to do with "not paying attention". The debate and the poll were about Slowking and now I asked why Slowbro didn't get it too. I now have my answer so thank you. But Amnesia on Slowking still stands.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Slowpoke   Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:12 pm

Blue, I'm warning you now. Do not throw accusations like that around here. I am not going to stand for anymore of that.

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