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PostSubject: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:28 pm


Makuhita



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Set 1
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
Item: Ability Capsule
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: None
Egg Moves:
- Wide Guard
- Revenge
- Focus Punch
- Bullet Punch

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:32 pm

Is there any reason why you didn't choose Focus Punch?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:47 pm

I'm assuming because it's a tutor move.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:50 pm

Go Focus Punch over Revenge imo it wasnt a tutor move in previous gens so I dont know if its one it can get. Also I think Thick Fat deserves a mention. Assault Vest Hariyama has been amazing for me in NU. Although it can use Guts too Thick Fat allows it to take stuff like this:

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 44 HP / 212 SpD Assault Vest Thick Fat Hariyama in Sun: 118-141 (26.8 - 32%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Though I would argue more for Ability Capsule but I think more people have that than Flame Orb.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:55 pm

No particular reason other than never using it when I am using Hariyama.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:56 pm

I do think Thick Fat is too good an ability to waste here, one way or another. Maybe you could breed it and send it to a cloner and just have them clone it and use an ability capsule?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:57 pm

Bunselpower wrote:
I do think Thick Fat is too good an ability to waste here, one way or another. Maybe you could breed it and send it to a cloner and just have them clone it and use an ability capsule?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:44 pm

cmzoid wrote:
Bunselpower wrote:
I do think Thick Fat is too good an ability to waste here, one way or another. Maybe you could breed it and send it to a cloner and just have them clone it and use an ability capsule?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:35 am

cmzoid wrote:
Bunselpower wrote:
I do think Thick Fat is too good an ability to waste here, one way or another. Maybe you could breed it and send it to a cloner and just have them clone it and use an ability capsule?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:41 pm

Ignoring the annoying buzzing sound that occurs every time zoid and dragon post on the same thread, most want focus punch and thick fat on makuhita right? If so Ill start on it tonight with those two instead of guts and revenge.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:13 pm

Any reason for foresight at all? Revenge is meh, but will foresight ever actually be used? Revenge at least benefits from Hariyama's lack of speed.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:25 pm

I'd say go Helping Hand(assuming its not a ORAS tutor) as that + Wide Guard + Thick Fat to avoi Eruption/Heat Wave/Blizzard+Fake Out would make it pretty good in Doubles.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:34 pm

I also think Revenge is better than Foresight

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:54 pm

Is it worth two sets for both abilities? They're both really good and really useful in different situations. Thick Fat is great for AV, but Guts is still a great ability that a lot of Hariyama still use.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:00 pm

Bunselpower wrote:
Is it worth two sets for both abilities? They're both really good and really useful in different situations. Thick Fat is great for AV, but Guts is still a great ability that a lot of Hariyama still use.

I'd be up for two sets, but since it'd basically be the exact same set with a different ability, neither of which are the HA, so just attaching an ability capsule would be easier, unless people really want both sets. Either way is fine with me.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:01 pm

It seems kind of pointless to make two sets that are the same except for the ability. As much as it pains me to do this I have to agree with zoid. It would be easier to attach an ability capsule. If people want 2 sets then one set should be a different nature. Such as brave or careful.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:07 pm

I agree with zoid. 1 set with an ability capsule attached would do.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:24 pm

Oh yeah duh, we already had this discussion a while ago. Sorry, I'm a little scattered today with the news about my job.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:07 am

Almost forgot about this. I think Counter>Revenge.

Just look  at that HP and that Defense. It certainly can pull it off well at least once.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:27 pm

I'm fine with Counter, I mean, you're gonna use Close Combat or Drain Punch if you use a fighting move. They both seem like something you're not going to use.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:38 pm

Bunselpower wrote:
I'm fine with Counter, I mean, you're gonna use Close Combat or Drain Punch if you use a fighting move. They both seem like something you're not going to use.
Makuhita doesnt learn Drain Punch despite getting Bullet Punch, Focus Punch, and every Elemental Punch...

Dont let that deter you from using AV though. It has still done wonders for me with Wish support.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:34 am

BlueDryBones1 wrote:
Almost forgot about this. I think Counter>Revenge.

Just look  at that HP and that Defense. It certainly can pull it off well at least once.

How so? Counter will only take affect when hit by a physical move while Revenge will do damage regardless of the attack being a special, physical, or status move.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:04 am

Bouncer wins. Great argument, and absolutely true.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:12 am

Well Counter will undoubtedly work well on it but actually I think we should end up going Revenge. Its not outspeeding anyways but only does the Double Damage if you got hit which is why you would switch an AV set in and doesnt lower your stats like Close Combat. I dont like the only does 60 if they switch out though but meh.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Makuhita   Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:32 am

BlueDryBones1 wrote:
I dont like the only does 60 if they switch out though but meh.

But... Counter fails if they switch out...

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