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PostSubject: [Finished] Aron   Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:46 pm


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Set 1 : Mega Tank
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Sassy
Item: Aggronite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/0
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Stealth Rock
- Endeavor
- Head Smash
- Curse

Set 2 : Non-Mega
Ability: Rock Head
Nature: Adamant
Item: Ability Capsule
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Stealth Rock
- Superpower
- Head Smash
- Reversal/Curse


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:47 pm

You might want to replace Dragon Rush with Endeavor for those who want to use FEAR aron. I also vote for Superpower for the last egg move.

Also, quick question, from what I've read online about mega aggron, relaxed is the standard nature. Why is that? Is there any merit in running relaxed over impish apart from using it in trick room?

Oh, and one more thing about the nature, I think you mean Careful instead of Calm. The choices for natures for the defensive set should be Relaxed/Careful/Impish imo.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:01 pm

Ok, cmzoid just explained to me that the relaxed nature is to make mega aggron slower than aegislash. I'll vote for the relaxed set then. Would it be optimal to make the speed IV 0 to go with the speed reducing nature?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:12 am

A Choice Band set could be an option spamming Rock Head Head Smashes.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:44 am

Oops lol I was thinking sassy... to slightly increase sp. def... but it wouldn't help that much. You're right. Edited Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:13 am

I'm gonna vote curse on the last set, because the one thing you don't want to do is lower this things defense. Also, there's a curse talking set running around that isn't bad.

And yeah, 0 speed would be ideal.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:35 am

I made a poll for the last EM. I don't know if it is the last thing we're discussing. Is the rest of the set ok?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:41 am

I battled a guy yesterday who had a superpower Aggron. I wasn't all that impressed, and it didn't really do a lot to me. Not to mention, that allowed me to bring in Gyarados for free and setup for the win.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:04 am

I feel Aron should be Adamant imo w/ Rock Head. That way if your going non-Mega you can run Head Smash sets (that or a seperate set for non-mega aggron) also Relaxed is overkill w/ Curse which should be the 4th EM

If we do Adamant a cloner can attack AC to use it as a Aron as well making it the one to have Endeavor:

Aron non-mega(Ability Capsule to swap if you want a Lv 1 Aron or a Rock Head Aggron w/ Rock Head being default):
Adamant + Endeavor+Head Smash+SuperPower + Stealth Rock

Aron Mega(Aggronite) w/ the Sturdy Ability.:
Sassy/Careful + Super Power + Head Smash + Curse +  Stealth Rock

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:08 am

I actually do agree that it deserves two sets. With the mega pokes, a lot of the time you ruin them differently. Not to mention mega Aggron can go offensive or defensive, and the egg moves change according to what you do.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:13 am

Let's not forget FEAR Aron.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:19 am

Alright. I'll edit based on Bones' post. We discuss changes from then on.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:07 pm

Edited Very Happy opinions?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:09 pm

I like sassy, only because it's defense is absurd.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:10 pm

Let me know if you want a matching ball or 2 for these.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:29 pm

I think you can remove endeavor for the mega set and replace it with superpower. Also, I don't think 0 speed is necessary for the adamant set?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:30 pm

No, ed, you're right on both accounts.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:34 am

I added the FEAR Aron set and updated the others. It seems that a beneficial nature and full investment in speed may come in handy against other FEAR pkmn. I never used the FEAR strategy, so I don't really know... Opinions?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:47 am

We're not making 3 sets. The FEAR Aron is going to be the same as the non-mega set.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:49 am

Wait that doesn't work... it needs sturdy... dammit.

We need to find a way to merge everything into 2 sets.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:50 am

Fear Arom should be:

Jolly
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Sturdy
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Reversal(for other NFEs if they reach Sturdy)
Stealth Rock(for hazards)
Endeavor(Just because)
Body Slam(For Status)

EDIT: Just Endeavor and SR is needed. Stick with the non-mega set as is and it'll be fine this is just for one thats solely an Aron and nothing else.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:50 am

Alright, I readded Endeavor in Superpower's place.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:51 am

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Wait that doesn't work... it needs sturdy... dammit.

We need to find a way to merge everything into 2 sets.

It can be the same as the mega.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:52 am

Forget about it... it must be jolly... --' and 0 Speed would not be that helpful...
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:50 pm

I think the sets you have right now are good enough. If anyone wants to use FEAR Aron, they could just rebreed it to jolly with the parent you supplied.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:40 pm

Wait, why does it have to be Jolly? Aren't these things run at level 1?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:15 pm

To outspeed other FEAR pkmn. It's not a must, but might come in handy


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:20 pm

Ah, I see.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:38 am

Technically, the point of fear aron is to be outsped, no?
I think using the mega set as fear set is fine, but it needs Endeavor

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:03 am

Instead of Superpower?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:05 am

Superpower could really be useful, it's a rare move before tutors. Although I'm not sure it's good on a bulky poke like Aggron.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:49 am

I don't think Superpower is good on a set that's supposed to survive a long time like mega Aggron. We'll have Superpower on the Adamant set, and we can have Endeavor on the mega set.

Also we won't really need Endeavor on the adamant set so maybe Reversal or Curse?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:51 pm

Hmmm maybe reversal...
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:53 pm

To quote the great Phil Collins, "I don't care anymore".

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:01 pm

That useless poll may be useful now...
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:03 pm

Do curse. Unless you're running Sturdy, reversal isn't a great option.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:01 pm

What Bunsel said

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Aron   Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:26 pm

Finished these little guys Very Happy
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