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PostSubject: [Finished] Cubchoo   Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:18 am


Cubchoo



Cubchoo - #613

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Set 1 : Sub-Puncher/Offensive Swift Swim
Ability: Rattled
Nature: Adamant
Item: ???
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: None
Egg Moves:
-Ice Punch
-Play Rough
-Focus Punch
-Yawn

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:01 pm

set looks fine, I'd probably equip a life orb.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:05 pm

Cool signature ugotmybeef lol
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:37 pm

rafakp wrote:
Cool signature ugotmybeef lol

I second this statement lol

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:49 pm

Now talking about cubchoo lol the set is good. I just wonder whether night slash could make into the EMs... I'd also equip with Life Orb
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:23 pm

Would you guys say its safe to start? Cubchoo isnt getting enough love on here imo Sad

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:16 pm

Ice Punch over Avalanche

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:30 pm

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Ice Punch over Avalanche

Icicle Crash almost always would win for that moveslot imo while Avalanche I find works well with Substitute which is how I personally run it. Perhaps I should poll it?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:36 pm

Well it's just that you usually want to outspeed your opponent with that thing (rattled/swift swim or baton pass) so Avalanche isn't going to be very useful.

Like you said, Icicle Crash will generally be the prefered move here, but the only 2 reasons I can see for not having Icicle Crash are 1. Wanting a 100% accuracy move, and 2. Wanting to use Cubchoo in Little Cup. In both cases, you're going to want Ice Punch over Avalanche.

It really doesn't matter that much though.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:42 pm

If we're taking Avalanche, I think we should choose Night Slash. It learns Icicle Crash by level-up.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:45 pm

rafakp wrote:
If we're taking Avalanche, I think we should choose Night Slash. It learns Icicle Crash by level-up.

problem w/ Night Slash though is it gets Shadow Claw by Lv up which is why I didnt put it.

If something goes over Play Rough I feel Encore would be the best option. Though Ice Punch vs Avalanche and Encore vs Play Rough I feel I should poll.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:54 pm

rafakp wrote:
If we're taking Avalanche, I think we should choose Night Slash. It learns Icicle Crash by level-up.

We're not taking Avalanche for Icicle Crash, we're taking Avalanche for Ice Punch

And Night Slash is cool but the other egg moves are better so... idk

Actually I think I would choose:
- Ice Punch
- Play Rough
- Superpower
- Yawn

but well... if you guys really want Focus Punch I guess that's fine...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:56 pm

Oh wait superpower is a transfer move nevermind

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:56 pm

Mademoiselle C wrote:
rafakp wrote:
If we're taking Avalanche, I think we should choose Night Slash. It learns Icicle Crash by level-up.

We're not taking Avalanche for Icicle Crash, we're taking Avalanche for Ice Punch

And Night Slash is cool but the other egg moves are better so... idk

Actually I think I would choose:
- Ice Punch
- Play Rough
- Superpower
- Yawn

but well... if you guys really want Focus Punch I guess that's fine...

Super Power isn't an EM and Beartic gets it via Lv Up. Poll has been placed so feel free to pick your preferred EM for slot 1 and 2. Focus Punch and Yawns I feel are musts for extra versatility.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:58 pm

I already corrected that, and I already voted. Ninja'd.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:04 pm

I'm trying to figure out the 2 most conflicting egg move choices and vote for that Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:40 pm

Suprised people are wanting Play Rough over Encore. From personal experience a fast (Swift Swim) Sub Encore Punch is amazing though it doesnt get STAB though but Encore = Free setup which is always helpful more than Play Rough's coverage when it gets Ice STAB. Still will choose whichever 2 win so I'll check again tomorrow.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:59 pm

Yeah, I agree, ice fairy is actually really redundant coverage. We don't need play rough.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:45 am

Play Rough might come in handy since Beartic will be a sweeper (also to get rid of Fighting pkmn). I still think that neither Ice Punch nor Avalanche are musts since it learns Icicle Crash via level-up. Then, we could have Encore in that spot. It is indeed an interesting choice. So I'd choose Focus Punch, Yawn, Play Rough and Encore.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:47 am

On a sweeper, you want the best coverage available imo, and fairy/ice is not great.

HOWEVER, there aren't a lot of coverage options there, so I can see the argument for fairy. It's just not that stellar with ice. I like ice punch over icicle crash, 10 power is not worth 10 accuracy.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:40 am

So would you guys be ok if I did Ice Punch/Encore/Focus Punch/Yawn despite Play Rough being the victor?

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:11 am

Not really no, if it's the victor it means people prefer it... and it's not like 6-2-2 is a close win, it's a very clear win

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:21 am

But Play Rough is extremely Redundant coverage with its main use being against Dragons and Beartic getting Ice STAB. only hitting Fighting/Darks otherwise which isnt worth it being there imo.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:25 am

I think it would be worth it even if it only hit fighting types. Pretty much any fighting type that you don't OHKO is going to OHKO you, so being able to hit then super effectively is a must.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:26 am

True, and I agree, but this isn't the white house, you can't just issue an executive order and bypass all checks when you don't like the answer.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:28 am

Mademoiselle C wrote:
I think it would be worth it even if it only hit fighting types. Pretty much any fighting type that you don't OHKO is going to OHKO you, so being able to hit then super effectively is a must.

agree Very Happy I'd rely on Icicle Crash... lol
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:34 am

Well only Fighting type I can think of are Conkeldur and max Def Intimidate Hitmontop which Play Rough scores a OHKO on both (except in Conk's case a layer of Spikes would ensure its taken out with Icicle Crash and Mach Punch exists even if you use both) so for those situations alone I guess its worth considering. Still want to keep Yawn as Beartic has the bulk to use it and Focus Punch b/c I feel its a must. So fine I guess you win.

I'll breed Encore anyways

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:38 am

Went doesn't it just get earthquake? This would solve everything.

This thing will never see those guys, he'll be down with the likes of Throh. I do feel Encore is better, it's a move with pretty limited distribution, and like you said, can land you a free focus punch.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:41 am

Bunselpower wrote:
Went doesn't it just get earthquake? This would solve everything.

This thing will never see those guys, he'll be down with the likes of Throh. I do feel Encore is better, it's a move with pretty limited distribution, and like you said, can land you a free focus punch.

See Bunsel gets it Very Happy

Encore+Sub Punch is just amazing especially with high speed under rain. Although not as powerful as Ape's I used it with Infernape along w/ Fire Blast as the 4th EM

Also this thing can get free SDs/PuPs when you trap the foe in some boosting/status move, can set up a Sub, and wreak havoc.

Sadly still got to do play rough anyways. I wont be doing this Cubchoo till after a couple of other side projects though as I really do not want to miss a 6IV sread for something else I'm breeding on the side.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:47 am

Personally, I would just swords dance, but yeah. Although, I can see a lot of pokes like Scrafty or Throh switching in, so fairy probably isn't going to be that useless.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:50 am

Bunselpower wrote:
Personally, I would just swords dance, but yeah. Although, I can see a lot of pokes like Scrafty or Throh switching in, so fairy probably isn't going to be that useless.

Thats true. Although I'd most likely be running something else over it at least Play Rough is situational in that case. I'll update the title when I actually do start on it.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Cubchoo   Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:03 pm

Took me only 1 egg to get this amazingly. Got a female HA one w/ Focus Punch, Yawn, and the 2 EMs that won the poll.

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