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PostSubject: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:08 pm


Proposed Sets

Rhydon
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Adamant
Item: Eviolite / Ability Capsule
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang


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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:35 pm

I vote ice fang for the last egg move for both sets

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:38 pm

Instead of thunder fang, right?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:40 pm

Yup

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:44 pm

dang, wanted to do rhyhorn. I propose one set with trick room spread.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:57 pm

You mean 31/31/31/x/31/0?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:13 pm

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You mean 31/31/31/x/31/0?

yes.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:52 am

If it's 0 speed, you should have a brave nature. I'm not sure if others would want a trick room spread though

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:09 am

Make an eviolite rhydon set and a rhyperior set

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:33 am

Yeah... I was thinking about rhydon. Ok!
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:58 am

I think I should make a poll, right? Because imo the set wouldn't change... just the strategy. I could make a poll with Rhyperior (set) 1 & Rhydon (set) 2 and Rhyperior 2 & Rhydon 1
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:13 am

Yeah, I'd just make these two sets. If the sets aren't going to change, there's no need to make a poll.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:13 am

Obviously... *smart me in action*
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:42 am

Isn't jolly useless with the terrible speed?

I'd vote Adamant Rhyperior and Careful/Adamant Rhydon... (With eviolite, Rhydon's defenses become pretty awesome, and even its special defense becomes decent, so having a careful nature is worth it imo)

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:45 am

Also for Rhyperiod I think the last em should be ice fang, and for Rhydon I'd make it Counter.

And Rock Head (Solid Rock) for Rhyperior, and Lightningrod on Rhydon for doubles.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:46 am

I think the thinking is Rock Polish, but 40 speed isn't that great. Although you do hit 202 speed at level 50 after a boost, not bad.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:47 am

Adamant should have Curse+Metal Burst over Crunch/That last slot imo

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:59 am

I edited the proposed sets to what I think are the current sets that are being discussed. Is it pretty much it?

I think the discussion for Rhyhorn is going to be a long one XD

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:00 am

Even then, does iron tail actually have use? What is it hitting harder than EdgeQuake that we need to sacrifice that much accuracy? I know we use focus blast on things, but that's because we need the coverage and it has 120 base power.

And I agree with bones, at least metal burst needs to be on the tank set.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:05 am

I agree that Iron Tail sucls. I edited the sets above, tell me what you think.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:08 am

Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:23 am

The jolly rhyperior sounds interesting. I think people use it with rock polish and weakness policy. Not sure if it's good though.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:33 am

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Forgot to mention I'm fine with either nature in both cases. Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish does sound interesting. I probably wouldn't go with both Adamant, but either Adamant/Jolly, Careful/Adamant or Careful/Jolly is fine with me.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:51 am

The first set needs Rock Head->Solid Rock Rhyperiors best ability as I dont think we'll be using Rhydon for both thus doesnt need Eviolite for set #1 Curse>Fire Fang/Ice Fang Imo as well for set #1

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:08 am

The point is to choose between sets 1 and 2 for Rhydon, and set 3 is for Rhyperior...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:13 am

Is anyone going to comment on the actual solution I'm proposing? XD i.e.:

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Mademoiselle C wrote:
Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Forgot to mention I'm fine with either nature in both cases. Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish does sound interesting. I probably wouldn't go with both Adamant, but either Adamant/Jolly, Careful/Adamant or Careful/Jolly is fine with me.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:15 am

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Is anyone going to comment on the actual solution I'm proposing? XD i.e.:

Mademoiselle C wrote:
Mademoiselle C wrote:
Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Forgot to mention I'm fine with either nature in both cases. Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish does sound interesting. I probably wouldn't go with both Adamant, but either Adamant/Jolly, Careful/Adamant or Careful/Jolly is fine with me.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:21 am

I like the defensive rhydon and offensive rhyperior. Eviolite lets Rhydon wall better than Rhyperior, despite solid rock.

But quite honestly, rock/ground is one of the worst type combos in the game. I'm not even sure defensive is a good idea ever. Plus, no rocks. The best set is the offensive Rhyperior.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:35 am

So how about :

Rhydon
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

?

Rock/Ground IS a terrible defensive typing, so Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish is probably the best idea so you can kill stuff before dying. And then Rhydon gets Adamant because Careful wouldn't help it that much (most special moves used against it are 4X effective anyway).

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:51 am

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:51 am

Yeah, I don't even know how needed Rhydon is at this point. Eviolite is great, but it's weak to like every special move and doesn't have the padding of Solid Rock.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:53 am

I like Rhydon >.>

It's the first pokemon ever designed by game freak, it deserves a special place in our hearts and its own set too. XD

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:55 am

I think Jolly + Rock Polish Rhyperior has the greatest potential. Hmmmm instead of Iron Tail, Metal Burst. It can be indeed worthier. Cool Smile

As for the Rhydons... Reckless could be more useful, but Rhydon's movepool doesn't favor it that much. So I'd go with Lightninrod, it can be helpful in doubles as Ms. C mentioned.

So... I'd go with Solid Rock Jolly Rhyperior and Lightningrod Adamant Rhydon.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:01 pm

Do u have it in a heavy ball?
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:05 pm

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Do u have it in a heavy ball?

I can convert the parent you want to use if you want me to. I'll do any ball changes for anyone if they want me too, free of charge. Just want the best job done possible.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:39 pm

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Do u have it in a heavy ball?

I can convert the parent you want to use if you want me to.  I'll do any ball changes for anyone if they want me too, free of charge.  Just want the best job done possible.  

Perhaps you should consider this to one of the parents(not the final product) rafakp, makes it so that parent can have the IVs and ball making it easier. Otherwise let me know if you still need me to get you a Heavy Ball from HG.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:48 pm

rafakp wrote:
I think Jolly + Rock Polish Rhyperior has the greatest potential. Hmmmm instead of Iron Tail, Metal Burst. It can be indeed worthier. Cool Smile

As for the Rhydons... Reckless could be more useful, but Rhydon's movepool doesn't favor it that much. So I'd go with Lightninrod, it can be helpful in doubles as Ms. C mentioned.

So... I'd go with Solid Rock Jolly Rhyperior and Lightningrod Adamant Rhydon.

Basically agree, but don't want to defend it via thinking Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:49 pm

rafakp wrote:
Do u have it in a heavy ball?

Oh no... he's been converted O.O

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:52 pm

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I think Jolly + Rock Polish Rhyperior has the greatest potential. Hmmmm instead of Iron Tail, Metal Burst. It can be indeed worthier. Cool Smile

As for the Rhydons... Reckless could be more useful, but Rhydon's movepool doesn't favor it that much. So I'd go with Lightninrod, it can be helpful in doubles as Ms. C mentioned.

So... I'd go with Solid Rock Jolly Rhyperior and Lightningrod Adamant Rhydon.

Basically agree, but don't want to defend it via thinking Very Happy

If you want to satisfy everyone you can do the Jolly one holing Ability Capsule and a Adamant Rock Head/Lightningrod one holding Eviolite, you can change the Ability of the Adamant one using AC on the first if you want to not evolve it. You can give a Protector to one of the other Pokemon you'll be breeding(or any other item for that case) If someone wants 2 Adamant ones they simply ask the cloner for a second in the future.

Jolly one has 3 coverage moves + Metal Burst
Adamant has Curse+Metal Burst+2 coverage moves
try to make the coverage moves different I gurantee noone will use them and its just better to give us access to alot of them.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:57 pm

Bones, that is an excellent idea. I agree 100 percent.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:13 pm

Yeah great idea, Bones. And I'll get the Heavy Ball from you.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:14 pm

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Yeah great idea, Bones. And I'll get the Heavy Ball from you.

Alright in that case I'll head to HG now to Heavy Ball one. If you want 2 balls for both to be different let me know otherwise Heavy Ball would be fine for both.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:19 pm

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Yeah great idea, Bones. And I'll get the Heavy Ball from you.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:27 pm

don't feel bad!!!!! I just prefer his method lol sorry....
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:35 pm

Honestly, I don't...

No one is going to use a Jolly Rhydon, and no one is going to use any ability other than Solid Rock on Rhyperior, so the jolly set needs Protector, and the coverage moves are pretty much the best you can get (no one is ever going to use Iron Tail or Skull Bash). So I wouldn't change anything on the Jolly set.

The Adamant set can be used as either Rhydon or Rhyperior, except it needs the other ability if you want to make it a Rhyperior. So maybe the ability capsule can be useful, but I still prefer having Eviolite because it is meant to be a Rhydon and if someone really wants a Rhyperior, it's pretty easy to get an ability capsule or to just breed a new one with the right ability. And the move are still the best they can be...

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:05 pm

Oh... that's true... we need one of them holding protector.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:06 pm

Well I mean I have an Eviolite, maybe two. I don't have an ability capsule. The item attached is not required to be on there. I'd rather rack up capsules than Eviolite, because needing more than one per any battle short of little cup is not a good idea, and capsules are expensive and harder for me to get.

He said one was holding protector and the other ability capsule.
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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:08 pm

Oh, he did say protector, just in reference to something else. Yeah, one needs protector.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:14 pm

Actually he said one holding eviolite and one holding ability capsule... but the jolly set definitely needs protector.

As for eviolite vs ability capsule, well, I'm pretty much the opposite because I have ability capsules and never use them, so I'd much rather have a spare eviolite. So I guess that depends on the person.

In any case, I don't think we should change the egg moves, and I also think the jolly set should hold the Protector. As long as we're using these egg moves and getting the protector, well, if most people want an AC instead of Eviolite for the Rhydon set, I guess I can deal with it.

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PostSubject: Re: [Finished] Rhyhorn   Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:15 pm

If you have an a.c., I'll just steal one from you or you could attach it to Seel or something.

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